After AfD in Germany, will it be Futuro nazionale of Roberto Vannacci’s turn? Just one question from the correspondent of 4 di Sera, on Rete 4, is enough to make Massimo Cacciari lose his temper.
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“Why does the far-right program take root so much in Europe?”, they ask him. And the philosopher answers sharply: “But it’s not the program, but stop with these ideologies, it’s not the programs that get the votes. The votes go to the alliance for Germany, just as in Italy they are given for a period to Grillo, another to Salvini, then to Meloni, because people in Europe can’t take it anymore, there is an impoverished middle class, there is no social mobility, democracy is a social elevator and it has completely jammed, prosperity does not grow, services do not grow, a disastrous foreign policy that sanctions us, forcing us to pay energy two, three times what would be possible to pay, a disastrous policy”.
“People protest against this policy – continues Cacciari -, it’s not that they have all become fascists or Nazis or right-wing or left-wing, they can’t take it anymore, it’s a Europe now in crumbs, they are even destroying Schengen. Are you kidding? Even the economic and market Europe is collapsing, what interest could people have in Vannacci’s ideology or AfD’s ideology? It is these material reasons that lead people to vote for those who protest. From time to time they protest against those who govern and this is the great risk that Meloni also runs”.
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For Tiziana Ferrario, historic Rai journalist guest of Paolo Del Debbio, “Germany was a very strong country in Europe for decades after the war and so certainly unification did not go as they thought it should go. The part of communist Germany felt impoverished by reunification and this is the proof that democracy if it does not bring you prosperity and if it does not guarantee you secure work, if it does not guarantee you certain health, health services, if it does not guarantee you a future for your children, education for your children, people get angry and on that discontent you vote for everything that is not democratic, you vote for those who give you the illusion of giving you what democracy has not given you, but it doesn’t work like that though”.
“What fascisms? People are against the disastrous politics”
Massimo Cacciari in the interview at #4disera pic.twitter.com/KqjOVFND3d
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